Dialogue with Hidden Hand, Illuminati insider

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Permalink Reply by Ted on September 11, 2010 at 12:10am

Linda,

This was a very interesting posting, thanks for posting it!!! Are you familiar with Eckankar? I studied that some years ago and it has a lot of similarities.

Ted

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Permalink Reply by CENTURION on September 11, 2010 at 10:46am

BEWARE !!!!!!! My suggestion is if you read this keep in mind how conniving and desperate Lucifer and his supporters will be in these last days to lead people astray. Although this appears as an exposing of the Illuminati it contains much by way of deception. It is a false propagandized glorification of the works of Lucifer and attempts to diminish the position of YAHWEH and Christ leading the ungodly and marginal "sheeple" astray!! It contains sketchy truths twisted to appear as Lucifer as the savior of mankind and YAHWEH is a villain!!!!! It uses biblical references that have been warped by mankind through the ages by the works of Lucifer through time to lead the unknowing astray!!!

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Permalink Reply by Linda Joslin on September 11, 2010 at 11:03am

It was written in Dec 2008 nearly two years ago and there are rules within the illuminati that have to reveal to the public, usually the information is right in your face but people dont see it.
The bible was composed by a political faction at that time and the manuscripts were manipulated and chosen because of the material not giving away the truth. all religions were created by man. This is not where the truth is going on. All will be revealed as we go forward to the end times, end of this galactic cycle that, as spiritual beings, we all knew of before we incarnated this time around. Some are remembering, some are not.
Interesting times indeed, this is just one piece of information that arose at that time and if you read the depth of this discussion you will see the subtly of the knowledge

As soon as their pre conceived ideas and intellectual understanding is threatened many close there minds. This is the power that the old religions and mind control have over people, it is still one of the biggest mind control procedures. Check out when the Pope, who was personally in charge for two decades of hiding the paedophiles within the church, lands in the UK this week - lies will abound as people praise him with their minds completely closed to the truth of what he did, who he really is and how they are giving away their power. One of our main newspapers The Independent did a four page feature showing people the truth this week. Hopefully the protestors will be out in force.

Namaste
Linda



CENTURION said:

BEWARE !!!!!!! My suggestion is if you read this keep in mind how conniving and desperate Lucifer and his supporters will be in these last days to lead people astray. Although this appears as an exposing of the Illuminati it contains much by way of deception. It is a false propagandized glorification of the works of Lucifer and attempts to diminish the position of YAHWEH and Christ leading the ungodly and marginal "sheeple" astray!! It contains sketchy truths twisted to appear as Lucifer as the savior of mankind and YAHWEH is a villain!!!!! It uses biblical references that have been warped by mankind through the ages by the works of Lucifer through time to lead the unknowing astray!!!

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Permalink Reply by Linda Joslin on September 11, 2010 at 5:28pm

No, have not heard or studied Eckankar, did you mean that Eckankar has similarities to Hidden Hand's explanations of what are really going on on a soul level with illuminati and us or with the site that the article was on?

Ted said:

Linda,

This was a very interesting posting, thanks for posting it!!! Are you familiar with Eckankar? I studied that some years ago and it has a lot of similarities.

Ted

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Permalink Reply by Ted on September 11, 2010 at 9:39pm

Linda.....I was speaking of some of the information included in the Dialogs with HH were similar to Eckankar. Eckankar is a Hinduistic philosophy by definition which claims to focus on spiritual enhancement and karma. The karmic enhancement is done by elevating the spirit into various planes of spiritual existence via meditation and/or incarnations.

I'd like to respectfully challenge your comment about the bible being composed by political factions. I agree the King James version and some others in common use today are manipulated versions. However, the compilation of the bible is various scrolls written at various times by various people. There is a dedicated effort at this time where several interpreters of varying religious and scholastic disciplines are translating those scrolls verbatim, exactly as they are written and not subjectively.

I'd also like to give my opinion regarding the Illuminati dispensing information when they feel the time is right. Although some of the religious hand-me-downs, including our present bible and other ancient scripts may have some misleading information, they do give us the precise information we need for the end times. My feeling that the Illuminati are selective about when certain information should be revealed is due to their sinister agenda. Having orchestrated mayhem and doubt onto mankind about the Bible and other teachings, they provide more information to further lead mankind away from the core values established by our creator. This released information feeds on the fact that as time went on, they were able to create doubt by corrupting gullible men in religious places and then the new information provides a false hope. They use pieces of information from legitimate religious beliefs and practices to gain trust and credibility to enlist lost souls. People are looking for hope and an escape from this chaos produced by Lucifer over the ages. Lucifer is quite deceptive and we have been long ago warned he would use deception and false promises to win souls who eventually will be condemned along with him.

For example, yes it is true that each of us were created by our God, the creator made us in his image (just like him). We were instructed to love our neighbor as we would ourselves. I feel that is because we are all spiritually one, i.e. of God the creator. To love our neighbor as instructed by the Christ is in essence loving ourselves. We are of the creator and therefore have the potential to be creators since we are just like him/her since we are him in part. The Illuminati grasped that aspect and inserted the false hope that if we follow their information as it is given to us in a timely sequence, following them will lead us to true freedom. Just the fact Hidden Hand kept referring to "Free Will" is an attempt to gain credibility. "Free Will" was given to us by Yahweh, not Lucifer. Yet Lucifer keeps pointing at it in hopes it will subtlety appear as his creation, as if it is something he provided and respects. Many will be led to their spiritual death by these deceptions which will ultimately be their non-existence, i.e. not in the book of life.

I firmly believe all has already been revealed to us and was done so long ago. We as individuals have to decide if we are going to heed those revelations or, follow an Anti-Christ with so called new age beliefs. Please understand, I do not condemn you for your beliefs and I do respect them. However, in my own analogies of what has been presented to mankind in the literal sense, I find them mostly contrary to my beliefs although there are parts I do agree with you about.. I hope we can continue to respectfully exchange our philosophies and perhaps see that maybe we are saying the same thing but coming from different directions.

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Permalink Reply by Linda Joslin on September 12, 2010 at 2:26pm

Lots of things to answer there but the main one for me being that the manuscripts that were available to for book called the bible were either men's accounts of events or channelled at the time from on high, just as many people are today channelling incredibly inspirational information about what is truly going on and who we really are. The problem with the manuscripts chosen for the bible is that many of the ones showing "the way" which the Nazarine taught to his disciples were left out on purpose so that the common man was left without the real information on how to raise himself up out of the mundance self. I did research this myself and it is an incredible story in our history of abuse of information by the political powers at the time for their own ends. I have a hub of this research under "UNIVERSAL LAWS" . I have copies now of some of the important manuscripts of the teachings which were left out.

Yes the translations of the earlier manuscripts were also corrupted but the truth cannot be seen just by correcting the translations because so much was missed out as well. I think it was James Fox who wrote the Blessing and other works who corrected some of the translation errors such as the word prostitute used for Mary Magdalen, also it is good if you check the local traditions and customs of the time to understand what some of the statements in the bible really meant and why things happened in the sequence they did i.e. the virgin birth which when you understand the timings and customs that were involved in that part of the world you will see that it was not a virgin birth but again a misunderstanding of the traditions and changes to the manuscripts

Most people have blind faith in the bible without ever looking at why these things were changed and indeed that they were changed which is fact not here say and also what were the customs of the time that were not pointed out to them, so that they accepted these manipulations. There can be good discussions if people are willing to look at the real history, traditions and correct translations of the manuscripts because all of these points are part of the whole equation. For people to wake up out of the mind control of the false side of the information it will take effort in educating themselves and most people are held in the survival level of life and cannot take the time to do so They are tied into the fear of lack, fear of losing material possessions and status just as the negative faction planned. There is the choice.

will read thru the rest and reply later.

Ted said:

Linda.....I was speaking of some of the information included in the Dialogs with HH were similar to Eckankar. Eckankar is a Hinduistic philosophy by definition which claims to focus on spiritual enhancement and karma. The karmic enhancement is done by elevating the spirit into various planes of spiritual existence via meditation and/or incarnations.

I'd like to respectfully challenge your comment about the bible being composed by political factions. I agree the King James version and some others in common use today are manipulated versions. However, the compilation of the bible is various scrolls written at various times by various people. There is a dedicated effort at this time where several interpreters of varying religious and scholastic disciplines are translating those scrolls verbatim, exactly as they are written and not subjectively.

I'd also like to give my opinion regarding the Illuminati dispensing information when they feel the time is right. Although some of the religious hand-me-downs, including our present bible and other ancient scripts may have some misleading information, they do give us the precise information we need for the end times. My feeling that the Illuminati are selective about when certain information should be revealed is due to their sinister agenda. Having orchestrated mayhem and doubt onto mankind about the Bible and other teachings, they provide more information to further lead mankind away from the core values established by our creator. This released information feeds on the fact that as time went on, they were able to create doubt by corrupting gullible men in religious places and then the new information provides a false hope. They use pieces of information from legitimate religious beliefs and practices to gain trust and credibility to enlist lost souls. People are looking for hope and an escape from this chaos produced by Lucifer over the ages. Lucifer is quite deceptive and we have been long ago warned he would use deception and false promises to win souls who eventually will be condemned along with him.

For example, yes it is true that each of us were created by our God, the creator made us in his image (just like him). We were instructed to love our neighbor as we would ourselves. I feel that is because we are all spiritually one, i.e. of God the creator. To love our neighbor as instructed by the Christ is in essence loving ourselves. We are of the creator and therefore have the potential to be creators since we are just like him/her since we are him in part. The Illuminati grasped that aspect and inserted the false hope that if we follow their information as it is given to us in a timely sequence, following them will lead us to true freedom. Just the fact Hidden Hand kept referring to "Free Will" is an attempt to gain credibility. "Free Will" was given to us by Yahweh, not Lucifer. Yet Lucifer keeps pointing at it in hopes it will subtlety appear as his creation, as if it is something he provided and respects. Many will be led to their spiritual death by these deceptions which will ultimately be their non-existence, i.e. not in the book of life.

I firmly believe all has already been revealed to us and was done so long ago. We as individuals have to decide if we are going to heed those revelations or, follow an Anti-Christ with so called new age beliefs. Please understand, I do not condemn you for your beliefs and I do respect them. However, in my own analogies of what has been presented to mankind in the literal sense, I find them mostly contrary to my beliefs although there are parts I do agree with you about.. I hope we can continue to respectfully exchange our philosophies and perhaps see that maybe we are saying the same thing but coming from different directions.

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Permalink Reply by Ted on September 12, 2010 at 8:54pm

I do see some commonality in Christianity and other major religions and that is spiritual development and subsequent enlightenment. The names of the players are different and the methods of achievement are different somewhat but still, the common goal is the same. I do see some differences as to "the why" of the spiritual development and enlightenment and, what to do with it after it is achieved. I'm sure most religions have incorporated various forms from other religions through the ages. They all have a moral code that may be worded differently but equate to basically what I know as the Ten Commandments. Those are certainly rules that set the body and therefore the mind free of stumbling blocks when attempting to enter the spirit realm. Any strong emotional feelings whether good or bad can prevent or, minimize one from full astral projection.

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Permalink Reply by Linda Joslin on September 13, 2010 at 4:35am

Having re read this reply the part that causes the most differences is "belief", Many references to difference so called beliefs here. Beliefs are going along with something you have heard or following ideas of someone who has had an experience that you then "believe in". This has nothing to do with my life and you talk of my beliefs being different to yours. I have had many incredible experiences which has come from my being a meditator for over 30 years, I was also taught some 30 years ago from one of the mystery schools to be in the now moment. These experiences have come from being able to link in to higher levels/dimensions, this is not something I asked for. I was a meditator because it gave me a different way to be with my family and in my life - calm, discriminating and at peace with myself, also opened up creativity and daring to. During this time I was asked to channel two books, reluctingly I did eventually after everything had been stripped from my life within the external world, because this information was about the drastic earth changes that we have lived thru so far and will live thru some more before the end days. It also talked of man needing to take back his spiritual mantle, live from his higher self by practicing meditation, how to eat, even how to cloth himself in natural fabrics so that the his pure energy would not be adulterated. There is no belief in this just direct experience. On the rare occasions I have had another person in the room with me who wishes to ask questions of the source, they too have the experience of the high energy and it changes them for the rest of the day. I am not special, I just used the discipline of meditation to take control of the lower mind - the voice in the head that has beliefs, has been programmed from life, parents, education etc. Anyone who uses simple meditation techniques - real formal techniques like just putting your attention on your breath for 10 minutes twice a day and pulling your consciousness back when it goes away from the breath will train your discriminating mind - Buddhi mind. All beliefs drop away, ideas that are not personal experience drop away. Restrictions on what can and cannot happen drop away, I have run healing centres where experiences of healing defy beliefs the medical profession have and promote. One of the most powerful things to do in life for anyone is to forget everything you have ever been told and start again with no withholds or preconceived ideas. Difficult to do in one swoop but bit by bit to look at why you "believe" certain things and who told you them and with what authority. This is a good written technique, writing down all the things that are sacrosanct to you and where they came from and whether it was a truly authentic source or needs researching.

Linda Joslin said:

Lots of things to answer there but the main one for me being that the manuscripts that were available to for book called the bible were either men's accounts of events or channelled at the time from on high, just as many people are today channelling incredibly inspirational information about what is truly going on and who we really are. The problem with the manuscripts chosen for the bible is that many of the ones showing "the way" which the Nazarine taught to his disciples were left out on purpose so that the common man was left without the real information on how to raise himself up out of the mundance self. I did research this myself and it is an incredible story in our history of abuse of information by the political powers at the time for their own ends. I have a hub of this research under "UNIVERSAL LAWS" . I have copies now of some of the important manuscripts of the teachings which were left out.

Yes the translations of the earlier manuscripts were also corrupted but the truth cannot be seen just by correcting the translations because so much was missed out as well. I think it was James Fox who wrote the Blessing and other works who corrected some of the translation errors such as the word prostitute used for Mary Magdalen, also it is good if you check the local traditions and customs of the time to understand what some of the statements in the bible really meant and why things happened in the sequence they did i.e. the virgin birth which when you understand the timings and customs that were involved in that part of the world you will see that it was not a virgin birth but again a misunderstanding of the traditions and changes to the manuscripts

Most people have blind faith in the bible without ever looking at why these things were changed and indeed that they were changed which is fact not here say and also what were the customs of the time that were not pointed out to them, so that they accepted these manipulations. There can be good discussions if people are willing to look at the real history, traditions and correct translations of the manuscripts because all of these points are part of the whole equation. For people to wake up out of the mind control of the false side of the information it will take effort in educating themselves and most people are held in the survival level of life and cannot take the time to do so They are tied into the fear of lack, fear of losing material possessions and status just as the negative faction planned. There is the choice.

will read thru the rest and reply later.

Ted said:

Linda.....I was speaking of some of the information included in the Dialogs with HH were similar to Eckankar. Eckankar is a Hinduistic philosophy by definition which claims to focus on spiritual enhancement and karma. The karmic enhancement is done by elevating the spirit into various planes of spiritual existence via meditation and/or incarnations.

I'd like to respectfully challenge your comment about the bible being composed by political factions. I agree the King James version and some others in common use today are manipulated versions. However, the compilation of the bible is various scrolls written at various times by various people. There is a dedicated effort at this time where several interpreters of varying religious and scholastic disciplines are translating those scrolls verbatim, exactly as they are written and not subjectively.

I'd also like to give my opinion regarding the Illuminati dispensing information when they feel the time is right. Although some of the religious hand-me-downs, including our present bible and other ancient scripts may have some misleading information, they do give us the precise information we need for the end times. My feeling that the Illuminati are selective about when certain information should be revealed is due to their sinister agenda. Having orchestrated mayhem and doubt onto mankind about the Bible and other teachings, they provide more information to further lead mankind away from the core values established by our creator. This released information feeds on the fact that as time went on, they were able to create doubt by corrupting gullible men in religious places and then the new information provides a false hope. They use pieces of information from legitimate religious beliefs and practices to gain trust and credibility to enlist lost souls. People are looking for hope and an escape from this chaos produced by Lucifer over the ages. Lucifer is quite deceptive and we have been long ago warned he would use deception and false promises to win souls who eventually will be condemned along with him.

For example, yes it is true that each of us were created by our God, the creator made us in his image (just like him). We were instructed to love our neighbor as we would ourselves. I feel that is because we are all spiritually one, i.e. of God the creator. To love our neighbor as instructed by the Christ is in essence loving ourselves. We are of the creator and therefore have the potential to be creators since we are just like him/her since we are him in part. The Illuminati grasped that aspect and inserted the false hope that if we follow their information as it is given to us in a timely sequence, following them will lead us to true freedom. Just the fact Hidden Hand kept referring to "Free Will" is an attempt to gain credibility. "Free Will" was given to us by Yahweh, not Lucifer. Yet Lucifer keeps pointing at it in hopes it will subtlety appear as his creation, as if it is something he provided and respects. Many will be led to their spiritual death by these deceptions which will ultimately be their non-existence, i.e. not in the book of life.

I firmly believe all has already been revealed to us and was done so long ago. We as individuals have to decide if we are going to heed those revelations or, follow an Anti-Christ with so called new age beliefs. Please understand, I do not condemn you for your beliefs and I do respect them. However, in my own analogies of what has been presented to mankind in the literal sense, I find them mostly contrary to my beliefs although there are parts I do agree with you about.. I hope we can continue to respectfully exchange our philosophies and perhaps see that maybe we are saying the same thing but coming from different directions.

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Permalink Reply by Ted on September 14, 2010 at 9:57pm

You are right, differences are the result of beliefs. I agree with you also where preconditioning has a lot to do with our belief structure and thought processes also, as Socrates elaborated much on. There is no way away from it in our early stages of life since we are bombarded with it constantly. Citing from my own perspective, my beliefs are those things that have been proven to me, in a window of time, which are true or not true and using logic to fill in the cloudy areas. Anyone with an open mind and truly looking for knowledge, will change their beliefs in a new window of time according to what is subsequently proven to them to be true or false. There are many gray and cloudy areas in information we've received that I think we all need to have cleared up to formulate a new belief or to maintain an existing one.

There is no doubt in my mind that you have had exceptional experiences and revelations in your over 30 years. There are many of us that have had the same effects in varying degrees with varying techniques and religious and philosophical disciplines. I don't anticipate there is any one right method but do expect there to be many wrong methods. Many books have been written on this subject by many people and much information that should have been shared by others wasn't. Since a piece of paper will lay there and let anyone write anything they want on it, the written word needs substantial credibility for most intelligent people to pay attention to it. Many have been healed and many wondrous works have been achieved in the name of Christianity as well as many other religious and philosophical disciplines. I think it is as I explained above, the result of spiritual development and enhancement that transcends the Bible or any other written or spoken word. Although the bible, which I agree with you has been grossly manipulated, pretty much describes what we can expect in the way of environmental and man made tragic events and what the results will be. So I don't totally discount the Bible, I just use it as a reference or, more so a home base to touch on for orientation before continuing to explore other venues. Other people have other means of doing the same thing but, that is what works for me. I can't agree that everyone must totally dump everything they have in our heads since that gives some a pivot point to work from. I know that doesn't work for you and it doesn't necessarily work for others. What you suggest works for you and makes sense but of course it won't necessarily work for everyone. There is one caveat to my last statement that follows your approach to mind cleansing and that is prayer. Prayer is a form of meditation if done realistically and honestly and not reciting chants or pre-prepared learned prayers and done from the soul in earnest.

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